Management?

sarah391

Senior Member
#21
It seems strange that so many owners who sell do not let oracle know who they have sold to (or perhaps they may have owed them money at the point they sold who knows?) I know last summer we were speaking to some new owners and we mentioned the maintenance and they said "what maintenenance". Presumably they thought that someone came and looked after everything out of the goodness of their hearts! Obviously the sellers/estate agents must have "forgotten" to mention it or people choose to ignore the fact they have to pay. If anyone wants to pm me with their apt nos and emails I can set up a round robin e mail so we can keep each other informed about what's happening.

Sarah

:Wales:
 
#22
Hi

I own C4 and will be out there on the 20th and will attend the meeting. I think Oracle should provide someone with all the e mail addresses they have so we can contact each other via a 'round robin' as suggested. My understanding of the Condiminium Law is that this meeting is in fact an EGM and as someone else has stated no decisions can be made unless there is a quorum - over 50% of owners present (and voting) which is unlikely. As such after fifteen days another EGM can be called with proxy votes taken into account and a majority decision then made. I believe the proxy forms should be opened on the day with owners present and not by Oracle. I understand that then a committee is voted in who have to have create a management plan for the complex - and can then appoint a Manager of their choice to manage the development - maybe this is the role Oracle are interested in. It's good to have an English speaking solicitor present so things are done properly now. I'd also be interested to know what other owners will be there on the 20th.

Jackie C4
 

Chinook

Senior Member
#23
The numbers of Owners present I would have thought is very important with regard to any proposal voted on
If its the AGM then numbers are important as it cannot go ahead without a quorum( 50% of the owners) . If there are not enough one hour after the stated time then the meeting is reconvened between 7 and 15 days later and the members then present comprise the quorum as stated in the Condominium Law.

The first notice shall also indicate the place and date of the second meeting if there is no
quorum at the first meeting. (Inserted sentence: 14/11/2007-5711/ art 14) The time between
first and second meetings cannot be less than seven days.
II – Quorum
ARTICLE 30. – The meeting shall be held when more than one half of the number of
condominium owners and more than one half of the plot shares are present and shall render its
resolution by majority.
(Amended second parag. : 14/11/2007-5711/ art 15) In case that the first meeting cannot be
made because the quorum cannot be met then the second meeting is made in fifteen days at
the latest. The quorum in this meeting is the absolute majority of participants.
 

sarah391

Senior Member
#25
Well if the quorum isn't reached on the 20th we'll be there for the next one 7 days later. There will be a better chance of more people there that week because it will be half term but to be honest I don't think I have ever been there when more than 50% of owners are in residence. It may fall to proxy votes if that's allowed.


Sarah

:Wales:
 
#26
We will be there too (E2), for both the 20th and any follow up meeting.

The need for this meeting was mentioned to me, by Oracle, last May,
but there was no follow up.

I don't think, there is ever a time, when over 50% of the owners are there.
 
#27
Proxy votes are certainly allowed under the condominium law.

persons being given proxy amy also require to take their own ID (passport) - please check your management plan to see who may be given a proxy and how many.

regards
 
#28
Proxy votes are certainly allowed under the condominium law.

persons being given proxy amy also require to take their own ID (passport) - please check your management plan to see who may be given a proxy and how many.

regards
where do we find the management plan ?
is there a generic one in the Condiminium law ?
 

sarah391

Senior Member
#30
Good question. I will e mail Oracle early next week to see if they have made any progress in finding out the proxy rules

Sarah:Wales

:Wales:
 
#33
Sarah

Can you also ask them what we are voting for.
It would seem that the purpose of the EGM is to appoint
a management committee, who then select a site manager.

The Oracle message suggests we are voting to appoint the
candidate that they are putting forward as site manager.
 

Chinook

Senior Member
#34
The Oracle message suggests we are voting to appoint the
candidate that they are putting forward as site manager.
Are Oracle owners if not surely they are not entitled to make proposals . We have appointment of the manager and the committee as separate items on our AGM agenda and proposals are made from the owners not the management.
 

Chinook

Senior Member
#35
Apologies for back to back posts.

If this is an EGM was everyone notified by registered mail as required by the Condominium Law . I have known meetings to fail because of procedural faults


When there is an important motive, the meeting of condominium owners may be called at
any time, by the manager or the controller or one third of the condominium owners, by a
notice sent by registered mail or signed by all condominium owners, at least fifteen days prior
to the date specified for the meeting, by indicating the reasons thereof.
The first notice shall also indicate the place and date of the second meeting if there is no
quorum at the first meeting. (Inserted sentence: 14/11/2007-5711/ art 14) The time between
first and second meetings cannot be less than seven days.
This is what the Condominium Act says about Proxy votes which should only be given to people you trust to carry out your wishes.

(Amended last parag. : 14/11/2007-5711/ art 16) One of condominium owners can use her /
his vote by the medium of her / his representative. One person cannot be assigned as the
representative to use more than 5% of the number of votes. However, as per the immovable
assets which are subject to forty or less condominium ownerships one person can represent
maximum two people.
 

trevan

top notch member
#36
Hi

I own C4 and will be out there on the 20th and will attend the meeting. I think Oracle should provide someone with all the e mail addresses they have so we can contact each other via a 'round robin' as suggested. My understanding of the Condiminium Law is that this meeting is in fact an EGM and as someone else has stated no decisions can be made unless there is a quorum - over 50% of owners present (and voting) which is unlikely. As such after fifteen days another EGM can be called with proxy votes taken into account and a majority decision then made. I believe the proxy forms should be opened on the day with owners present and not by Oracle. I understand that then a committee is voted in who have to have create a management plan for the complex - and can then appoint a Manager of their choice to manage the development - maybe this is the role Oracle are interested in. It's good to have an English speaking solicitor present so things are done properly now. I'd also be interested to know what other owners will be there on the 20th.

Jackie C4
who is the solicitor going to be ?
 

jearden

Senior Member
#38
You know what Turkish law is like I think sometimes they make it up as they go along.
If you pm me today with your email address I will send you the Condominium Law in English pdf. which you can then copy to other owners.

All the questions you are asking are covered by this law.

The Management Plan is an attachment to every owners title deeds and if Oracle can't provide it I would question their competence. You can get a copy from the Title deeds office on presentation of your Tapu but remember it’s in Turkish.

There is no generic management plan defined in condominium law but most plans use extracts lifted directly from condominium law plus clauses specific to the site.

In essence a management plan complements condominium law but cannot over-ride it.
 
#39
Are Oracle owners if not surely they are not entitled to make proposals . We have appointment of the manager and the committee as separate items on our AGM agenda and proposals are made from the owners not the management.
I'd guess Oracle will continue to run the bar as they make money from renting it.
If they actually own that bit then I'd guess they would have a vote and be able to make proposals. I hope the bar would remain open.
 
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